Review: 10 Days on the F800S "The BMW Heretic"

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Review: 10 Days on the F800S "The BMW Heretic"

Postby SHIVA on Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:47 pm

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BMW F800S "The Heretic"

her·e·tic - Pronunciation Key [n. her-i-tik; adj. her-i-tik, huh-ret-ik] –noun
1. a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
2. anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle.


If Shakespeare was into two-wheels he would write a sonnet about the F800S. If the F800 was around during the Middle Ages, it would be burnt at the stake along side Joan of Arc, for being too radical. And if the F800 would somehow incarnate during the days of the Salem witch-hunt, it would certainly be tagged a witch and be made an example no other Euro brand dare to follow.

The F800S is the devil that wears BMW.

Which twisted minds at BMW concocted this potion? A featherweight bike with a potent parallel 2 engine that never gives up, even at 130mph. A light-weight oddity that pulls hard regardless of what gear you’re in. 25mph in 5th gear? No problem. A foot deep flooded roadway, in 4th gear at 20mph, have no worries, it'll pull you through.

I hope I don’t have to spell it out, but the F800 is one impressive bike and it’s also a BMW heretic. A heretic you ask, yes, because, BMW motorcycles aren’t supposed to be this light, this fast and this much fun. And they don’t normally deliver almost 50 miles to the gallon. There is something very wrong here.

Recently, I rode a F800S for about 10 days. I remember the first evening as I hopped on a Flame Red 2007 F800S, after getting off my own K1200RS. My K-RS being a good 200 lbs heavier made the F800 feel like a toy. This bike is so light it tricked me into thinking I was on a F650. It wasn’t until the next morning when I was pulling a solid 100 mph in 5th, that it captured my attention -- wait one second I said, this is no ordinary Beemer.

F800S is a BMW heretic, because it shatters the common stereotypical concepts about BMW. I’ll list some of its advantages: It’s surprisingly comfortable, it practically corners by itself, it’s got plenty of torque, it uses BMW’s excellent switchgear, it has a very smooth shifter (a definite oddity), the wind screen is excellent and provides a very quiet ride, it has ABS, TPM, Computer function and heated grips, it rides real smooth even though the engine has a nice pulse and it’s a fuel miser. Now I understand why BIKE mag UK named it "the New Middleweight King."

It’s a witch because it brainwashes you into liking small street bikes. I liked only big bikes before I got on the F800, but now I have this odd urge to own a F800. It’s a witch I tell you; she puts a spell on you.

So, what’s wrong with it?
As any seasoned rider would know there is no such a thing as a perfect bike. OK, maybe the R1200GS and the K1200RS. Those maybe the only perfect bikes ever devised by man. But the F800S can’t be all that perfect, what are it's shortcomings?

Well, to be very frank, this bike has very few negative attributes, however the one thing that really bugged me was the conventional telescopic front forks. They felt like pogo sticks, specially coming off of the mighty Telelever and they aren't adjustable. If you're used to the amazing anti-dive properties of the Telelever or the Duolever front suspension systems on big bore Beemers, it’s very hard to go back to conventional forks. That’s basically the only shortcoming that I can tag on the F800S. Other than that, this bike is a screamer and its quickly becoming the favorite ride among BMW techs. And if that’s not enough endorsement, it’s being modified by enthusiasts to go racing. The BMW/Rotax 800CC, 85HP, 2 cylinder power plant of the F800S is winning the hearts of many enthusiasts across the country and don’t be too surprised if you find the F800 racing at an AMA circuit very soon.

F800S, the Devil that wears BMW.
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Postby caratz on Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:53 pm

Who wrote this ? Is that you Shiva ?

I personally think the suspensions of the F 800 are waaaay too soft. The front in particular. Is there anything aftermarket available ? Mind you I rode the version with the old clutch, which is not much fun to use.
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Postby SHIVA on Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:57 pm

it's my write up. I found the front too soft as I mention, but the rear was fine... I guess a pair of Ohlins on the front would do marvels. by the way, I didn't get a chance to take pics of the bike. the above images are from the web. :) S
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Postby Dr J on Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:53 am

Did you also ride the ST version ? Although it's quite similar, the steering 'wheel' is like sitting on a bicycle . Other than that it's a nice machine. I agree on the telelever stuff ; if that could be the same as on a K ?! Now it's way to soft indeed. It would add to the weight of course, but I wouldn't mind, because I felt more comfortable on the heavier K with bad weather (wind) anyway. Anyway, it's a very nice machine with only a few flaws - if they would fix that, it would be (almost) perfect. Can't wait for an F1000 version ;-) (BMW, Buell, Aprillia, Rotax mix)

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Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:53 am

Haven't ridden the ST yet. I'd like to, just to feel the difference, but the S felt very comfortable and I prefer short shields anyway. The "S" directs the wind right to my chest which makes for a quiet ride. :) S
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Postby caratz on Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:01 am

I rode both versions. I prefer the riding position on the ST. Matter of taste. The shield doesn't really matter on it either. It puts the wind on my chest.
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Postby caratz on Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:06 am

SHIVA wrote:it's my write up. I found the front too soft as I mention, but the rear was fine... I guess a pair of Ohlins on the front would do marvels. by the way, I didn't get a chance to take pics of the bike. the above images are from the web. :) S


My dear sir, I bow deeply. You really did hit the nail. It's funny actually, the engine has the vibes of a boxer, without the sideaways movement.
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Postby Dr J on Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:53 am

What about an F800ST (or 1000 with a 'bit' more power) with:

1) Telelever
2) Steering installatie of e.g. the K1200R or similar
3) bigger tank (19 liters ?) for more range, without going into reserve.

Would add weight and price , I know, but the advantages are there...; the cardan would still be left out as weight-saver.

Whatever, as said - the 100% perfect bike doesn't exist. Anyone know when the F800GS will be anounced ? Is there an upcoming event / motor-show where BMW normally shows it's new bikes, in this case 2008 models ?
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Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:34 am

thanks 24 caratz. as for the other questions. there hasn't been an official announcement on the F800GS, but the Paris show starts on Sept. 30, we should know by then.

The F800 although has a 4 gallon tank, I managed to get 180miles (288km) per fill up. That's very impressive and I don't think that a larger tank is needed.

Things are getting real hot at BMW. As mentioned the F800 is really inspiring people to go racing and one legendary racer/builder has done just that. Mr. Ron Wood, considered by many as the current father of Flat Track has built a unique F800FT, which was raced very successfully over the weekend in Iowa.

http://www.flattrack.com/dc/dcboard.php ... 25940&page

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This is the first time in history (as far as I know) that BMW has raced in an American Flat Track series.

:) :) S
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Postby Dr J on Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:32 am

Well, at least the engine (actually Rotax...) and BMW logo are there; if it's still a BMW for the rest, I don't know :)

Very nice though. Is the man with suit and helmet in the race the same guy as the builder next to the bike ? Transition from mister nice- to mister tough guy

As far as I have read the news threads the F800 GS seems a definite go for next season. I wonder how much it will look similar and different from the 1200GS ..And then the F800GS Adventure with LARGER tank haha
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Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:38 am

Ron Wood is the builder and he has a racer named Shaun Russell giving the bike a good spanking... :twisted:
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Postby hdf on Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:25 pm

Dr J wrote: Anyone know when the F800GS will be anounced ? Is there an upcoming event / motor-show where BMW normally shows it's new bikes, in this case 2008 models ?


I hear it is being tested in and around the eastern shores of Spain, south of Barcelona. Unfortunately no one has yet gotten a spy photo - at least not yet.
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Postby hdf on Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:56 pm

And speaking of heretics, check out this 800S shot.

I'm inclined to think that he either didn't make it back up from that shot (as in this was just a fraction of a second before the front end washes out) or maybe there's a bit of Photoshoping involved - not sure, but impressive pic.

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Postby Illuvatar on Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:24 am

Wow.....very well done Shiva! *thumbs up*

We upgraded my wife from an F650CS to the exact same bike (even the fast color) that you rode, and while my bumble was having her engine replaced I got to take hers out for a date.

Mind you...I had to fricking pry the keys out of her hands. :lol:

I came home and told her just how impressed I was by just how nimble, flickable and quick it was, and even more than that...I was very impressed with the gear box! We're talking neutral throttle or blipping downshifts that were smooooooooooooooooth! It didn't seem to matter the RPM or gear I tried it in...it just was smooth as silk. Really it's how our beloved S's gearbox should handle!

Aside from getting used to the tellys, the only drawback I ran into was just how easy it was to get into the ABS and the brakes felt really soft to tell true but hey.....good job BMW and good job Shiva! "The F800S is the devil that wears BMW." THAT is classic!
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Postby gandy on Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:48 am

Yes well done, love the AC Schnitzer bike in Green, well cool.

Do AC schnitzer make or have made parts for the old K1200rs?

Did you notice in the first photo the sign in the background :lol: LINGERIE WAITRESSES, BMW know how to splash out haha I am getting fed up working for a BMW car dealer, I am in the wrong job :lol:

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Postby NineShag on Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:44 pm

Good review.

I had the use of one of these whilst my K12R camchain was being sorted and grew to love it (in part) in the month and a half i had one.

Pros:
Buzzy engine that enjoys being thrashed to within an inch of it's life. Try riding a K bike like this and you will quickly die.

Nimbleness. To me it felt like a cross between a supersport 600cc Jap bike and a super-moto. Haven't been on a bike this agile for quite a while and backin' it into corners and then stickin' it on it's ear was brilliant fun. :D

Cons:
Awfully noisy/rough engine at low/medium revs. This bike is horrible around town. With 2nd gear too high for junctions and 3rd too high for 30mph it really surprised me at it's nastiness as a commuter.

Neutral selection is too slick. The only way to tell if you've found neutral (which is easy btw) is to look at the indicator.

Looks. To my mind this is one of the ugliest bikes in production today. I nicknamed my loan bike "The Piglet".

Strange bike - i both love it and hate it in equal measure. :?
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Postby SHIVA on Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:41 pm

Try riding a K bike like this and you will quickly die.


LOL... that's real funny!!

I agree with some of your assessments. I had so much fun on this bike that I forgave it's odd gear ratio. To me 2nd gear felt better than 1st crawling forward. But I didn't really mind it that much, considering all the other heretical attributes, including as you pointed out, the freakishly smooth tranny.

Gandy, Schnitzer produced a K1200RS version as well in 2000, although it's no longer on their site. it came in black, with some graphics, with a pipe and AC rims. Not bad looking, but the graphics were a little too much... :) S
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Postby SHIVA on Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:37 am

This is how you shoot a bike.... Check out the cover of this Japanese mag. gorgeous low-angle shot...

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Postby SHIVA on Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:37 pm

by the way, the F800 now comes in a Low version which is about 3" lower than the standard model. :) S
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Postby hdf on Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:48 pm

SHIVA wrote:by the way, the F800 now comes in a Low version which is about 3" lower than the standard model. :) S


Are you referring to the lower seat option or is this like the F650GS which actually had a lower suspension setting available from the factory?

I know of the lower seat, but had not heard any other options for lower the bike.
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Postby SHIVA on Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:52 pm

F800-Low is 3" lower than stock (S and ST) and yes, it's similar to the F650GS-Low concept. it's a special model all together. :) S
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Postby Eka on Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:49 pm

First i didn't like it at all, but with bellypan looks so good:
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Postby Cartilage on Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:58 pm

Speaking of the Devil, on the 800 ST low version you cannot mount a center stand...this according to Denver (foothills) BMW head of sales.

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Postby CoryK1200S on Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:08 am

Eka wrote:First i didn't like it at all, but with bellypan looks so good:
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Agreed, I think with the bellypan it looks amazing. Not that the regular one looks bad, I just think the bellypan finishes the bike off better.
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Postby SHIVA on Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:34 am

My BMW Heretic story is in the Nov. issue of BMW ON. you can always read my magazine articles by clicking on the link in my signature.
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